HairyHammer
12:40 Thu May 9
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I think tonight you have the final nail in the coffin of the thread question.
Obviously No.
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Passerby66
11:52 Wed May 8
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Yeah, English teams are shit.
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zebthecat
11:47 Wed May 8
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This thread hasn't aged well
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Admiral Lard
12:50 Wed May 8
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Ridiculous thread, still very possible to have both European finals contested by English Premier League clubs
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Dicko75
12:44 Wed May 8
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Bullshit thread
Sky money will see the premiership carry through for many more years
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zebthecat
11:49 Tue May 7
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This thread hasn't aged well
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BRANDED
11:48 Tue May 7
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It really!!!!
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claret on my shirt
9:30 Tue May 7
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We had 3 clubs in the final 8 of the Champions League, 2 in the semi's, the Premier League gets well over double the revenue of La Liga the 2nd biggest league revenue wise in the world. The Premier pulls in a way bigger TV Audience than any other footballing nation and you think the marketing people are struggling to sell it? wow the marketing people here are fucking genius's!
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Sven Roeder
9:22 Tue May 7
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Have said before every League should agree that every club can have a maximum of 30 full time professionals under contract over the age of 18.
And every club should have the SAME salary cap wherever you want to pitch that.
Every player loaned out has their wages added to the salary cap of the club that loans them and the club that uses them.
Of course there is no interest in UEFA or any other body in trying to make leagues fair.
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eusebiovic
8:52 Tue May 7
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It's quite easy...
Limit the squad size of the development squads and specify a maximum number of loans allowed per season across all leagues and including feeder clubs.
It can't be right that Citeh /Chelsea and others are loaning out up to 40 players across various leagues around the world. It means they are hoovering up talent before it has a chance to develop. Sometimes a players needs to be at their hometown team and get 150-200 games under their belt to become a player.
I don't agree with this bullshit that they can only develop at teams with unlimited budget and facilities.
It's a fucking lie and it's killing football
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ironsofcanada
7:52 Tue May 7
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The thing about a draft is that it relies on having a system of young player development that is not tied to them being owned by the top level clubs.
So you have the US high school and college systems for a lot of sports.
Or you have professional teams that can only use players of a certain age (and the top level teams cannot sign young players at all) like Major junior hockey leagues in North America. My nephew plays in one of those.
It would be a fundamental shift.
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Moore than enough!!!
7:31 Tue May 7
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I think the European super league wouldn't last too long.
I can however see a system where the premier league adopt similar systems to IPL cricket and the NFL and have teams taking part in draft style system.
The power of the premier league will become more and more about the commercialism of the brand itself rather than individual clubs (seeing as some of them can be completely unpredictable with owners, finances and abilities to stay and compete in the top flight - take Leeds as an example). It's probably not compatible with their marketing plans to have essentially the bottom half dross with 15k stadiums who just get by every year.
I think eventually there could be centrally held contracts that clubs can bid for and hold for a certain number of years on contract.
Players and agents would benefit from having a contract with the league and would give them bigger exposure with commercial aspects.
Clubs would continue to grow and would stop stockpiling of the bigger players. For instance, a club could have X number of squad players and X number of draft players (who will only be elite players).
The league as it is risks becoming old and stale. The late 90s to mid 2000s were its heyday and since then, it has just become about who can afford bigger and bigger fees. Teams now do business solely to deny other big clubs doing business. Man City's policy of hoovering up English talent to bench it restricts clubs in our sort of range from growing and developing. Owners have little interest and nothing outside the big 6-8 teams really seems to be benefiting from the hundred million plus in participation fees every season.
Don't get me wrong, I think that the above probably wouldn't work because the biggest clubs wouldn't want anything like this; but wage caps and quotas wouldn't work either.
As for English clubs doing well in Europe, it's good to see; but of course clubs like Chelsea and Arsenal are no longer big clubs, they are simply rich clubs.
The champions league semi-finalists have no real guarantee and despite the billions of pounds invested in them, potentially both could be out. Their finishing positions in Europe are good for the points that help to maintain four champions league spots, but nothing else really.
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BRANDED
6:16 Tue May 7
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You could have a salary cap in North Korea and the USA.
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Takashi Miike
6:03 Tue May 7
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I'm not bothered about it working, I stopped giving a fuck years ago, but something like that is the only thing that would/could produce proper competition and which is something the BIG CLUBS throughout europe despise and would never want. stockpiling players isn't a new thing starting with chelsea, Italian clubs were at long before our us
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ironsofcanada
5:58 Tue May 7
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The problem with any kind of salary cap is that any sport that makes it work and has actual money involved, is a sport in which one league is miles and miles better than any other around the world.
They have had problems when trying to dealing with labour laws of two countries in regards to caps, good luck trying to make it work for all FIFA nations, which is what I think you would have to do.
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5:18 Tue May 7
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There is already a European super league and it has relegation to super league two as a back up.
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RBshorty
5:14 Tue May 7
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Miike. The only way that ever happens if we get a European super league. That is a close shop with no relegation.
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Takashi Miike
5:03 Tue May 7
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there should be a fixed salary CAP per team, and it should have nothing to do with earnings. all work with the same budget and see how pep gets on :.)
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threesixty
5:01 Tue May 7
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I think there's a big problem with the big clubs hoarding players they don't intend to play. Making their runs a lot easier.
Cities bench warmers include Mahrez, De Jesus, Stones, Delph etc.. Chelesea have tons of players on their books too.
I wonder what football would be like if you could only have a certain amount of over 80k a week players on one team?
Mahrez stays at Leicester etc... Would make a completely different and far more competitive league. In fact it would make a far more competitive Europe. We'd actually see the best players week in week out actually playing football again.
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dealcanvey
4:46 Tue May 7
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Agree,
One player I would like to see if Mbappe. I think he would be very effective in the PL. Just will he make that jump?
Spain is appealing as like said below. It is always a two horse race and most games are a walk in the park!
That is why I rated Suarez so highly. Fantastic player and mentally strong. probably one of the best I have seen play in the PL.
Playing in the PL makes players but it breaks many more.
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Dr Moose
3:52 Tue May 7
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dealcanvey 2:31 Tue May 7
Gonzalo Higuain is a prime example, excellent at Juve, atrocious at Chelsea. Premier league is not for him.
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